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Guyster said:
And to be fair, people tend to be off their faces a lot more to HH! (hence "wicked" tunes being, some of time... "wank")

in my "opinion" of course

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so............people dont take drugs in the music you play then?

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I don't force them to.... what I'm saying is that (in my experience) myself and many people I know can and often do house and prog nights on no drugs.... I don't need them to dance to it....

I can't get though a HH night without them.... it softens the blow

I'm only having a tongue-in-cheek dig. I've got nothing against HH, I go to a lot of HH nights, and I have a good time, it's just not my chosen genre.

Surely you'll agree with me that if you compare, say, SS or Tidy Weekender then a shedload more drugs of all sorts are consumed than at say.... Ministry or Southport Weekender???

And I know it's to do with the energy of the music - you need to keep going., but then plenty of people say they don't need to do owt when the music's that good.... I mean you don't see people dribbling in corners, going under or getting carried out in the corner of Ministry, Maison or Pacha do you??

(PS - I know this will piss some people off, but I had to make my point. I'm not trying to start a "HH = shite, House = wank" thread)

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(PS - I know this will piss some people off, but I had to make my point. I'm not trying to start a "HH = shite, House = wank" thread)

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Snez said:
let's just sue the sun for offending people.

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let's just sue the sun for offending people.

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Guy - I know what ya saying mate, just didnt like the way it was made to look as if hardhouse is the only form of 'disposable' music (which it does belong to...)

Never know whats gonna happen with music tastes in the future so we shall have to wait and see what happens!!

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Yup, can see how it came accross, and I didn't mean it like that, after all, who am I to say what's good and what's not?

There's nothing like a good argument.....

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There's nothing like a good argument.....

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Nowt better then an arguement - especially when the opponent actually knows what they are going on about

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I don't force them to.... what I'm saying is that (in my experience) myself and many people I know can and often do house and prog nights on no drugs.... I don't need them to dance to it....

I can't get though a HH night without them.... it softens the blow

I'm only having a tongue-in-cheek dig. I've got nothing against HH, I go to a lot of HH nights, and I have a good time, it's just not my chosen genre.

Surely you'll agree with me that if you compare, say, SS or Tidy Weekender then a shedload more drugs of all sorts are consumed than at say.... Ministry or Southport Weekender???

And I know it's to do with the energy of the music - you need to keep going., but then plenty of people say they don't need to do owt when the music's that good.... I mean you don't see people dribbling in corners, going under or getting carried out in the corner of Ministry, Maison or Pacha do you??

(PS - I know this will piss some people off, but I had to make my point. I'm not trying to start a "HH = shite, House = wank" thread)

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There's nothing like a good argument.....

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what would the atmos in a club like SS be if everyone was straight?? Would there be any?? Would there be anyone in the club?

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Is it an age thing (HH crowd tends to be younger...?) or a music thing????

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Is it an age thing (HH crowd tends to be younger...?) or a music thing????

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Im thinking its down to age - a HUGE portion of clubbers into hard dance (with the obvious exception being Techno) are fairly young when compared to funky/prog house crowds...

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I was going to say it, but I didn't want to risk another backlash.... it's true though

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I don't force them to.... what I'm saying is that (in my experience) myself and many people I know can and often do house and prog nights on no drugs.... I don't need them to dance to it....

I can't get though a HH night without them.... it softens the blow

I'm only having a tongue-in-cheek dig. I've got nothing against HH, I go to a lot of HH nights, and I have a good time, it's just not my chosen genre.

Surely you'll agree with me that if you compare, say, SS or Tidy Weekender then a shedload more drugs of all sorts are consumed than at say.... Ministry or Southport Weekender???

And I know it's to do with the energy of the music - you need to keep going., but then plenty of people say they don't need to do owt when the music's that good.... I mean you don't see people dribbling in corners, going under or getting carried out in the corner of Ministry, Maison or Pacha do you??

(PS - I know this will piss some people off, but I had to make my point. I'm not trying to start a "HH = shite, House = wank" thread)

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Yeah, but at ministry et al, everyone seems to worry more about how they look than about the music...

As someone else has said here... It does seem to be an age thing... The younger clubbers want it harder and seem to be experimenting a lot more... Then saying that, you will not find such a diverse age group than in the HH/HT scene in London, bizarrely this does not go for the rest of the country...

I love HH and can listen to decent HH all day long... When it is poorly produced then it grates very quickly...

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The album features proper nightclub mixing & totally breaks the boundries of what HardHouse used to sound like, the sound is fresh & new!!

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People don't understand the Ideas behind HH

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People don't understand the Ideas behind HH

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I do. Its basically Hard House covering old tunes and making them sound shit.

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No that's Hardcore

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CreamyC said:

LEAVE FELIX'S "DONT YOU WANT ME" ALONE.

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They don't understand how difficult it can be to get two different tunes exactly in synch, while chucking in the cuts and breaks

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In fact I tend to steer clear of anything with "anthems" in the title these days.

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They don't understand how difficult it can be to get two different tunes exactly in synch, while chucking in the cuts and breaks

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??? That goes for any dance music!

Except, from a purely technical perspective it tends to be easier to mix hard house because the tracks usually have very formulaic structures, more similar basslines, and less melodic content (so there are more combinations of tunes that sound okay mixed together).

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I'm not slating hard house here, and nor is mr liquideyes, but it does tend to stick to a pretty basic formula in terms of drums and bassline. (in general, before people start mentioning specific tracks). In my opinion, while it doesn't seem hard to make, it's hard to make WELL, like any music. It's easy to make run of the mill dance music in any genre, it's making decent stuff that requires the skill.

However, it DOES bug me that so many HH tunes out right now are covers of decent house or trance tunes. I mean, they're not exactly stretching the producers, and, while some are great (the rework of "Fixation" for one) they've spawned some less good (imho) ones:

Shakedown - At night (the vocal sounds ridiculous)
Bedrock - Heaven Scent (CRIMINAL! )

These are two of my favourite tunes and they've been wrecked. And what I hate is the way some HH people say "funky" house is crap, when half the tunes they're wiggling away to are sampled from house records!

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BTW I hope Hardhouse Anthems 4 is better than HHA2, which (regrettably) I bought for the extortionate sum of £3.99 from a bargain bin. In fact I tend to steer clear of anything with "anthems" in the title these days.

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It's a hell of a lot better...

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Guyster said:
To be fair - if Tissera's involved, it's not going to be wank

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