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liquideyes said:
Claire,
Fruity is not even in the same league as Cubase/Logic. It is a joke to compare them.

It's like comparing a sports car to a juggernaut: FL may be very slick and fun to use, but it is nowhere near as feature-packed as Cubase.

FL is basically a loop-editing tool, that has been slightly extended over the last couple of years into a half-baked sequencing package.

Cubase & Logic were designed as complete virtual studios, to enable simultaneous recording/playback of multiple audio tracks, and MIDI arrangement. E.g. for recording & producing bands etc.

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liquideyes said:
Claire,
Fruity is not even in the same league as Cubase/Logic. It is a joke to compare them.

It's like comparing a sports car to a juggernaut: FL may be very slick and fun to use, but it is nowhere near as feature-packed as Cubase.

FL is basically a loop-editing tool, that has been slightly extended over the last couple of years into a half-baked sequencing package.

Cubase & Logic were designed as complete virtual studios, to enable simultaneous recording/playback of multiple audio tracks, and MIDI arrangement. E.g. for recording & producing bands etc.

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I can see your point but surely the difference between the 2 isnt really enough to justify the HUGE price difference in them?! I know a LOT of producers on the production forums i go on do use fruity these days and they are all finding it to be fully competent to do what they want it to do and are making tunes of a high quality from it too.. so why shell out the extra for something like cubase/logic/pro tools when they can get fruity which will do what they want it to do but maybe in a different way to any other sequencer?!

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liquideyes said:
Claire,
Fruity is not even in the same league as Cubase/Logic. It is a joke to compare them.

It's like comparing a sports car to a juggernaut: FL may be very slick and fun to use, but it is nowhere near as feature-packed as Cubase.

FL is basically a loop-editing tool, that has been slightly extended over the last couple of years into a half-baked sequencing package.

Cubase & Logic were designed as complete virtual studios, to enable simultaneous recording/playback of multiple audio tracks, and MIDI arrangement. E.g. for recording & producing bands etc.

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Summed up nicely. Slam dunk.

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Ok, i notice this comin up over and over again in this forum between fruity users and cubase/logic users usually.. here's where u can battle it out.. put each other right and generally argue out ur opinions on sequencers!! Also does anyone think the difference in performance/ability in cubase/logic is enough to justify the difference in price??

On ur marks, get set.. GO!!

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if all the fruity users in the world were be given a crash test in logic and able to bypass the learning curve that comes with it, they would never return to fruity.. theres too much difference in the progs to really go into it without going off on one (and i really cant be arsed), but i find the idea of fruity 'snobs' very funny indeed.

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if all the fruity users in the world were be given a crash test in logic and able to bypass the learning curve that comes with it, they would never return to fruity.. theres too much difference in the progs to really go into it without going off on one (and i really cant be arsed), but i find the idea of fruity 'snobs' very funny indeed.

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Claire DC said:
Ok, i notice this comin up over and over again in this forum between fruity users and cubase/logic users usually.. here's where u can battle it out.. put each other right and generally argue out ur opinions on sequencers!! Also does anyone think the difference in performance/ability in cubase/logic is enough to justify the difference in price??

On ur marks, get set.. GO!!

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the theory is.. if you were to buy logic and unlock the es2 and exs24 (synth and sampler) you should need no other 3rd party plug-ins or instruments cos the bundled stuff is of such a high quality you need not look elsewhere.

fruity>>

the synths are shite
the fx quality is shite
some of the controls for the above all work arse about face
as a sequencer it is very poor if you like to work quickly
visually it is a pain in the fucking arse

if all the fruity users in the world were be given a crash test in logic and able to bypass the learning curve that comes with it, they would never return to fruity.. theres too much difference in the progs to really go into it without going off on one (and i really cant be arsed), but i find the idea of fruity 'snobs' very funny indeed.

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Well you know id love to learn logic but i need a new soundcard to start with for that dont i as we've already tried lol!! I just wana get peoples opinions etc on the sequencer because its somethin that a lot of people are very opinionated about and its always good to hear a new opinion on something!! Do you think the latest pc version of logic 5.whatever is good enough to stay with now itsgone/goin over to mac only from 6 upwards?

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Do i think the latest pc version of logic 5.whatever is good enough to stay with now itsgone/goin over to mac only from 6 upwards? ?

for a couple of years, yes. which does me fine. im gonna go mac eventually. hopefully sooner rather than later, cos my main pc has packed up...lol. havent got any music done in ages.. my p3 600 just dont cut it...lol

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Lol.. well i guess that gives u a kick up the arse to get one sooner then!! I dont honestly know much about macs or their specs etc etc so i dont know how id cope with the change over.. what kinda time span u lookin at to replace then?

Lol.. ur blaming no music lately on ur pc.. or have u been shagging too much lately?!

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I just wana get peoples opinions etc on the sequencer because its somethin that a lot of people are very opinionated about and its always good to hear a new opinion on something!!

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So really for a serious sequencer the options are limited - like buy a mac and get logic or pro tools.

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Funny how most of the "opinionated" people sticking up for Fruity, have never used a "proper" sequencer like Logic or Cubase! (not in anger anyway)

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Funny how most of the "opinionated" people sticking up for Fruity, have never used a "proper" sequencer like Logic or Cubase! (not in anger anyway)

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Well, I stick up for Fruity and I can use, and know Logic, Cubase and ProTools inside-out.

Fruity is a dream to work with if your making danc emusic...if you're recording bands etc then Protools is the way to go....if u can be aresed sheeling out for the hardware....

Just stick to whatever works for you, and stop slagging of other applications.

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How many people can honestly say they bought their copy of cubase?

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liquideyes said:
Claire,
Fruity is not even in the same league as Cubase/Logic. It is a joke to compare them.

It's like comparing a sports car to a juggernaut: FL may be very slick and fun to use, but it is nowhere near as feature-packed as Cubase.

FL is basically a loop-editing tool, that has been slightly extended over the last couple of years into a half-baked sequencing package.

Cubase & Logic were designed as complete virtual studios, to enable simultaneous recording/playback of multiple audio tracks, and MIDI arrangement. E.g. for recording & producing bands etc.

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Summed up nicely. Slam dunk.

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kev, please explain mate

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DJ_Elemental said:
Point is - i think the fruityloops basics are too basis which is why i associate it as a kiddies toy

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but can you honestly say that if we asked a lot of people in the industry they will say that fruity is better??? I mean if it was why isn't fruity the big piece of software and logic, cubase and protools not?

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erm...did u even read my post ? I didn't say Fruity was better than the others

Ok, fair enough, I may not know every ickle bit of "all" the appz, but I'd say that I'm pretty well tuned up since SAE's beaten every ounce of knowledge about those sequencers into my tiny little mind in the Audio Engineering diploma.....

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Point is - i think the fruityloops basics are too basis which is why i associate it as a kiddies toy

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I don't understand your point...?

You judge a program by its results. And I've heard some pretty shit-hot stuff come out of Fruity. If it is easy to use, then even better!

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You judge a program by its results. And I've heard some pretty shit-hot stuff come out of Fruity. If it is easy to use, then even better!

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Point is - i think the fruityloops basics are too basis which is why i associate it as a kiddies toy

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I don't understand your point...?

You judge a program by its results. And I've heard some pretty shit-hot stuff come out of Fruity. If it is easy to use, then even better!

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i've heard some sweet outcomes too - but because its 'so easy to use' every one is using it flooding the market with crap - im not saying all those who use fruity make rubbish tracks

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Id be more likely to blame the labels that signed the tracks.. people can make crap tunes every day but if theyre signed thats down to the label.. not what sequencer they use.. how can u even bring that into this topic when its not the market of tunes im talkin about im talkin about the advantages and disadvantages of each sequencer not how the market is flloded with bad tunes!! Not bein funny but this comment has nothin to do with the original question.. bad tunes can be made on ANY sequencer.. yes Mark ANY even ur amazin(?) customised stuff!! *

*drunk maybe not makin her point as well as she could!!

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You judge a program by its results. And I've heard some pretty shit-hot stuff come out of Fruity. If it is easy to use, then even better!

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yea, I agree with u there

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"what can you do in other sequencers that you can't do in Fruity? Nothing!"

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Yea, I might have been guilty of a statement like that somewhere o no wait, I think I said someone should show me something that it can't do..

But in all fairness there is some features in Fruity that works a lot better (in MY opinion..) than the other sequencers....and I base that on the fact that it's faster to do in Fruity than some others, and if u're doing the engineering for someone then time = money, and they'd rather see results getting achieved faster

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To make a decent tune in PT shows a lot more takent than making some bollox run of the mill formulaic hard trance track in FL that sounds like every other hard trance track released since Cafe Del Mar and Trance became BIG.

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"what can you do in other sequencers that you can't do in Fruity? Nothing!"

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liquideyes said:
Claire,
Fruity is not even in the same league as Cubase/Logic. It is a joke to compare them.

It's like comparing a sports car to a juggernaut: FL may be very slick and fun to use, but it is nowhere near as feature-packed as Cubase.

FL is basically a loop-editing tool, that has been slightly extended over the last couple of years into a half-baked sequencing package.

Cubase & Logic were designed as complete virtual studios, to enable simultaneous recording/playback of multiple audio tracks, and MIDI arrangement. E.g. for recording & producing bands etc.

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Summed up nicely. Slam dunk.

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i've heard some sweet outcomes too - but because its 'so easy to use' every one is using it flooding the market with crap - im not saying all those who use fruity make rubbish tracks

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Your reasoning seems to be as follows:

"If a lot of people make crap music with a certain product, then it must be a toy."

Wrong. You can make crap music with a £10,000 studio or a £100,000 studio. However most normal people can't afford this! This notion that, because a program is simple to use it must be a "toy", is a load of utter bollocks.

I don't regard Fruity as a toy just because it's easy to use. I regard it as a toy because [for my requirements] it simply doesn't have the features I demand from a sequencer.

Having said that... I like toys.