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#697268 - 10/23/2003 01:10 PM
Negative Member Feedback
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James_dup1
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I think its about time that members on here can see the negative feedback we have from VERY valued members, sorry, OLD members - who choose to not frequent the site anymore.
I'm not saying I agree or dis-agree with any or all of the comments but I think its important that those who care about this site and the direction of it read these statements and see if they can understand or relate to any of them.
I can only promise that we most definitely WILL turn this site around, back to the days when people joined because they were given a card by a friendly clubber ...
 "it used to be fun but now everyone is shagging everyone, and its just an excuse to gossip and slag off!"
"unless you get rid of half the people on there you will NEVER get it back to being fun!"
"i could give you a list of about half the site with reasons to get rid of them all its all bolloxs nothing like it used to be!. i dont care if you show this convo to anyone else cos its what i think!"
"i now only go on there to check my pms !"
"every one needs to grow up! were not at primary school any more!"
"i find myself going on CTW less and less these days - i never thought that would happen. i use other forums these days. one is more funky orientated."
"i'm probably sodding off CTW now, i really can't be arsed with it, hence the lack of posts over the past week. rank banter, dull people, stupid self-interested promoters, and hundreds of posts that i'm not even remotely interested in. fuck it, i've actually had enough, and come to the realisation i'm spending far too much of my time on here, and there's actually a world outside there full of interesting people and good nights, and anyway spending time on here is all for nothing since it's all english folk. half the meet-ups are shite anyway, full of fucked-up mongos who can't think straight & can't see, either, and who have shite music taste and talk about nothing but fucking drugs. yeah nice. when it comes down to it, i mean what's the incentive for me to come to a meet-up when the people i meet are gonna be like <druggie> or whatever. or when the nights are going to be as shit as <night>. folk like <dude> are quality, but they're few and far between on a site like this, so fuck it."
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#697271 - 10/23/2003 01:55 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: Maria]
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Maria said:
build a funky board to bring all the fun people back
you mean FUNKY.......................  So that is it then, Harddance peeps are not fun???? hmmmmmmmm????? 
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#697273 - 10/23/2003 02:32 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: LittleMissLoud]
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LittleMissLoud said:
It's not about getting rid of Hard Dance completely, it's about getting a healthy balance back between House/ Funky/ Trance/ Hard/ Tech/ DnB/ whatever.
yep & decent members  
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#697274 - 10/23/2003 02:36 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: miss_diddy]
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Jay
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hhhhhhmmmmmm indeed.
people keep stressing the fact lately that this is one community, to cater for all tastes.
It doesnt seem like that lately, I may be mistaken but James I feel personally mate that you yourself have been creating a slight "them & us" mind set.(as well as others)
Not completely but you have had your part and as you created this thread you are my example.
This bullshit about a funky site for the serious clubbers & a HH for the kids is ridiculous.
If i remember rightly you were bang into your HH last year, have you become a more serious clubber since your conversion.
No
the main issue which has changed the feel of the board is that it is different people on the board now, last year it was a lot more of a tighter group.
over xmas there was a massive influx of new members, there was like 200 over jan wasnt there and alot of the older peeps dropped off because the board became to fast, and full of people they dont know. not all people (myself include) can be bothered to talk to loads of random people again, who fuck off after 5 mins. Dont get me wrong, alot of good people have joined since and im sure i would get on great with them, but i dont know them so / i havnt met them, so how can i have a community spirit??
you have changed since then aswell james imo, you have had to make some lifestyle changes which i respect you for but your not "one of us" in the same sense you were. i am not the only person to feel like that & personally i feel as youve met us and we have known each other for around a year & you know us on a personall basis not just on the web yeah you should value us.
im not saying we should get better treatment, thats bullshit were all equals but when you say stuff "them and us" it makes me wonder what was the point of meeting you in the first place?? if it wasnt to create a friendship why was it to improve your social life temporarily??. at the end of the day when this site has finally run its course how many people on here will be mates outside of it. that is more important, that is REAL which is why the site had a better atmosphere last year.
REAL FRIENDSHIPS
Not internet banter and bullshit which means nothing.
I love this site, i like & respect you and kev (although kev is a bit of a cunt) but its hard to keep a community spirit with a bigger site with lots of new people all the time.
in conclusion, it will NEVER be like it was bacuse the site is to big, i think we should re prioritise becuase trying to change the site back to how it was will just kill it.
and none of us want that.
if this has pissed anyone off im sorry but its my honest opinion if just a little hastily typed.
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#697277 - 10/23/2003 02:50 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: Capn_Jack]
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CreamyC
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Capn_Jack said:
Smaller communities within a larger community. Local area meetups for people living within certain areas and then large scale meetups that the site has and is used to.
Correct. It gets bigger we arrange regional meets like whats being planned. THATS OUR INTENTION. To pro-actively arrange meet-ups for members on a regional basis and a national basis - ie, Alton Towers etc. WE organise that for OUR MEMBERS.
Yes, this is ClubTheWorld but we are more than just a clubbing website, we want to be more, we will be more. We want active weekenders, trips etc, we WILL do this and we WILL achieve this sooner or later, changes are expected in the new year and plans have been laid, we will be introducing this in the new year but it needs careful planning so we can organise good meets that people will talk about and meet new mates, thats why we ARE here. See ClubTheWorld Picnic. More of those next year, thats our aim and thats what we WILL achieve.
If you want to help OR have ideas then please let me know.
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#697279 - 10/23/2003 02:53 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: CreamyC]
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CreamyC said:
Yes, this is ClubTheWorld but we are more than just a clubbing website, we want to be more, we will be more. We want active weekenders, trips etc, we WILL do this and we WILL achieve this sooner or later, changes are expected in the new year and plans have been laid, we will be introducing this in the new year but it needs careful planning so we can organise good meets that people will talk about and meet new mates, thats why we ARE here. See ClubTheWorld Picnic. More of those next year, thats our aim and thats what we WILL achieve.
If you want to help OR have ideas then please let me know.
Possibly change the name of the site??? Club&meettheworld!!!
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#697282 - 10/23/2003 04:02 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: Highlander]
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Jay
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Highlander said:
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but its hard to keep a community spirit with a bigger site with lots of new people all the time.
i'm not having a go at all jay (as i dont know you so please dont take this like that) as i get what you mean!!
but at the same time i think that there is still a spirit as most of us have met a few people at various events and meet ups and keep in touch with each other thro the site and travel to meet up with each other reg.Fair enough i am classed as one of the new ones as i only joined at the begining of the year but i do feel welcomed by people that have been here for a long time,its sad that people that have been here for ages feel that they dont like whats happeningbut even with the best will in the world you cannot please everyone and that is not meant as being nasty its just the truth,i for one would be glad if someone thinks that i am out of line pm's me and tells me,then i will try my hardest to sort it out unless i feel i have a very good reason and i would explain that!!!
i agree with what youre saying, the spirit is still there, just underneath lots of bullshit.
I also agree you cannot please everyone, that is impossible.
All im saying is that we should accept what we are now and not try to be what we were. We can all still make worthwhile friendships on here. This year i have met lots of people i like such as Maria & lisa but its harder to find these people / get to know them with the board moving much faster & lots of people on here who dont really give a shit.
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#697285 - 10/23/2003 04:41 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: Maria]
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James_dup1
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ClubTheWorld Founder
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Maria said:
build a funky board to bring all the fun people back
look, i fucked up mentioning 'its because of young hh people' - its got NOTHING to do with that.
The site needs to cover ALL genres and ALL clubbing age groups (including HH and including youngsters)
How we do this is being looked at - its mostly my fault for desiging the site so badly that people could take advantage and abuse it etc. This will change over time but this is now a LONG TERM plan. Kev also has some very good ideas for the new year. If you arent happy on here right now I suggest coming back in 6 months when we 'may' have it sorted.
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#697286 - 10/23/2003 04:48 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: Capn_Jack]
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James_dup1
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Capn_Jack said:
Smaller communities within a larger community. Local area meetups for people living within certain areas and then large scale meetups that the site has and is used to.
agreed, but we've said this before - problem is NO ONE comes forward to arrange these local meets properly. Sure we've had wannabes come and go but we need TRUSTED people who are welcoming to everyone in that area and who can be arsed to spend hours a week planning meets properly. We've had 2 or 3 attempts at CTW Reps - but it just went to their heads and people start USING us again so we ditched the whole concept.
I guess its just a question of time now until we find out who can be trusted to do what and for the right reasons. I think the whole problem is we're too 'young' a site / in-experienced, and we've also grown our membership far too quickly for our own good - hence why I partly think all promotion should be ditched and we go back to word-of-mouth (the best type of promotion in the world, and what was the WHOLE basis of our initial success!).
You are all right - the site is attracting too many people for our own good - we cant expect to welcome them all - i know i dont anymore - its sooo time consuming - not to say i dont want to. The people i look out for though are the ones who have made the effort to go to anyhting but the local bar/club - basically anyone who joins for the reason on the front page.
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#697291 - 10/24/2003 09:52 AM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: Jay]
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liquideyes
Anti-fun Campaigner
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Jay said:
REAL FRIENDSHIPS
Not internet banter and bullshit which means nothing.
Disagreed.
Ultimately, the main reason I came on here was to make more [real] friends (which makes CTW a success in my book).
However, unlike yourself, I do not pour scorn on the idea of having an online social life. Sometimes I really like chatting with people (who I may or may not have actually met) about music or (god forbid) "serious" things that (believe it or not) some people find interesting. 
Some of the most interesting people on here, I probably will not ever get the chance to meet, purely for logistical reasons.
In another of your posts you scoffed at the notion that people might actually discuss their "serious issues" online. Fair enough if you think you are too cool to have online friends; the fact is some people do like these forums, so why write them off as meaningless?
I agree that there is a lot of "banter and bullshit" as well as genuinely interesting discussion, but personally I still have cause to come on the site and chat. 
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#697294 - 10/24/2003 11:56 AM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: James_dup1]
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Andrew
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James said:
...we've also grown our membership far too quickly for our own good - hence why I partly think all promotion should be ditched and we go back to word-of-mouth (the best type of promotion in the world, and what was the WHOLE basis of our initial success!).
You are all right - the site is attracting too many people for our own good - we cant expect to welcome them all - i know i dont anymore...
Hey all,
Personally I agree that 'rate of growth' and 'how CTW grows' are two key things that will determine the atmosphere and culture of the board/ community.
Rate of growth
High rate of growth: More commerically viable/ Increased profile for ppl who set up the site and CTW DJs
Lower rate of growth: More stability in the community/ More community spirit because of this
It would seem quite useful if there was agreement from the 'key members' about which of these two mutually exclusive options CTW wants to go for. Personally I see some of the big disagreements previously as linked to linked to this question. Getting agreement/ clarity on it might well stop these types of problems resurfacing in the fture.
How CTW grows
I also agree that the way ppl join and the site grows effects the culture. If ppl are recommended by current CTW members (by CTW cards, etc) they are more likely to fit in and get on, etc Whereas if ppl join via another route (e.g. see the website name on a banner, poster, advert, etc) there is definately less quality control (god that sounds a bit sh*t) on whether the ppl will fit in.
What i reckon
The main thing I would say is for the core group on the site to get a clear approach on these two things. For what its worth I agree with where I think James is on this. Personally I think the site works best as a slower growing community, where 99% of members join because they met a cool person in a club. (e.g. stopping all publicity accept CTW cards). Whilst this might not meet the objectives of some people (in terms of profile building, creating a commercial success) it is the approach that seems to support the community most (what I understand to be the main objective). And it also differentiates CTW very well from other clubbing sites (which have gone down the other route).
Just a couple of thoughts on the matter
andrew
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#697297 - 10/24/2003 01:26 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: Andrew]
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James_dup1
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Some very good, clear, words there Andrew - thank you. Totally agreed.
CTW is not after 'commericial success' - well not as far as I'm concerned anyway. Its not a numbers game to me and I've even moved away from thinking that CTW should be a brand. It should be a name that the true members respect, because they are part of it, but I dont see it as being something which everyone who isnt already part of the community should respect - until they are part of the community. I want people to make their own minds up about us and first and foremost join the site for the right reasons - because they want to go on more varied events and meet new friends - and not just as a 5 minute wonder but friends for long term.
Whereas some sites grow and achieve well by having their logo on 60,000 flyers, i dont think we do - i want everyone who is on this board to be a real part of the community and to go out regularly with sub-communities on the board (i now realise we cant expect to have just 1 large community, although i still think some kind of annual meet is do-able)
I think most promotion 'sucks' and in our case its casting a wrong image (negative or positive) about the site / the purpose. I will not join into these promotion games which I dont believe in.
One day I want it to be a case whereby if some random person on the street sees the CTW logo on a poster/flyer, they know that its a properly organised CTW meet-up with member DJs playing. It should gaurantee 'quality' and say to someone 'if you come along to one of our events you will meet more like-minded friends - who will be on-going friends'
Having said that maybe I just live in cloud-cooko land - but due to me going through years of clubbing on my own and realising that there are load of others in the same boat, who also want to try 'different' events & different areas I have a hunch this just might work - like it used to.
Word of mouth will always be the strongest and best promotion in my eyes - particularly in CTW's case. Its also works negatively of course, which is why we're going through this 'quiet patch' - but come 2004 we'll be FULLY back on track whether people like it or not.
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#697299 - 10/24/2003 04:12 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: FredTheBaddie]
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FredTheBaddie said:
Change is inevitable. And always good.
take your own advise, schange your hair!! 
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#697301 - 10/24/2003 04:15 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: xpaulax]
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xpaulax said:
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Daredevil_Tony said:
I only joined the site this year so I cant really comment on how it used to be.
Just wanna say Ive meet some fantastic people through CTW, honest and caring people who would do a lot for each other.
Didnt know anyone could be as nice as some of the CTW lot!!
yeah i 2nd that, ive met some great ppl off here too
 thirded, I think the positive out weighs the negative at the end of the day
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#697305 - 10/25/2003 09:29 AM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: liquideyes]
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liquideyes said:
Hooray, a new friend! 
 You'll have to share Andy, as she is already my bessie mate!!! So technically thats two new freinds eh!!
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#697307 - 10/25/2003 06:19 PM
Re: Negative Member Feedback
[Re: cheeky_chick]
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Jamundino: couple of ideas: Maybe get rid of the promote youself forum. only let regular (non promoters) post in the events suggestions to avoid promoters spamming. It is interesting to see how people now arrange meetups themselves but still post about them. i think people are still welcomed to these meets, just because you're not there doesn't mean that people don't still meetup and join the site (probs even more because u r not there!). CTW never will have that feeling it had last year (esp in dec, when I first met Jay  ). James: you really need to come up with a list of things that you are going to put in place. Its cool to see CTW going through some changes, we just have to make sure they're for the best. Full respec for the people who have been here and supported the site.
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