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#713038 - 11/10/2003 10:51 AM sets getting shorter  
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whats everyones view on this. Seems like DJ sets are getting shorter and shorter these days. I personally think the whole idea of a set was to take you on a journey. hard to do really in an hour isn't it?

#713039 - 11/10/2003 10:58 AM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Tony.P]  
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Agreed. I guess it reeks of trying to cram in a load of big names, at the expense of the actual music (though personally I've never witnessed a set shorter than 1.5 hours).

On the other hand, I think the concept of a 4+ hour set is a bit dubious and self-indulgent.

#713040 - 11/10/2003 11:08 AM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: liquideyes]  
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I couldnt put up with more than an hour of hard trance.


#713041 - 11/10/2003 11:13 AM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Captain_Cunted]  
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never played a club-set for more then 90mins so far which is dissapointing.... i love to progress things when im mixing but if I wanna do that, I have to rush it like I did @ smile last time (tho that was a bit different I suppose )


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#713042 - 11/10/2003 12:41 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Chris_Hutchinson]  
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i watched Mauro Picotto do a 6 hour set at gatecrasher a few years back!!
it was awesome!
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#713043 - 11/10/2003 12:59 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Tony.P]  
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Totally agreed Tony/Liquid - defo a case of cramming in lots of names at the expensive of a good build-up


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#713044 - 11/10/2003 01:14 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: James_dup1]  
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Its obvious, theres far too many wannbes flooding the market, most of them very average leaving the quality ones with very little time. All party of cramming as many "so-called" big names in as possible. Not enough events to cater for the amounts of DJ's now.


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#713045 - 11/10/2003 01:17 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: James_dup1]  
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Even in the last 6 months things have changed - I started playing out in March, and the sets tended to be 1 1/2 hours, but recently, everything is 1 hour.

I suppose it is something to do with fitting in as many dj's as possible.

As a clubber, I quite like short sets, as I find it more interesting, as there is often more variety. Short sets are especially good if you are not enjoying a dj's set, as you don't have to put up with it for long!

But as a DJ, and hour is pretty wank, it really doesn't give give you any time at all - and you only get to play about 12 tunes! I think 1 1/2 - 2 hours is a nice time to play for, just long enough, without being too long!


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#713046 - 11/10/2003 01:19 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: LittleMissLoud]  
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..and its even more of a piss take when you've got to go back-to-back with someone - so you get to play like what, 5/6 records? great.


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#713047 - 11/10/2003 01:22 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: James_dup1]  
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Personally DJ's doing a 3 hour extravaganza bores me to tears, you can find me asleep in the corner somewhere.


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#713048 - 11/10/2003 01:23 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Tony.P]  
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#713049 - 11/10/2003 01:24 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: CreamyC]  
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I think sets should be a minimum of 1.5 hours and a max of 2


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#713050 - 11/10/2003 01:24 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: CreamyC]  
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Personally DJ's doing a 3 hour extravaganza bores me to tears, you can find me asleep in the corner somewhere.




if thats the case, the dj playing hasnt done their job very well....


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#713051 - 11/10/2003 01:26 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Phil_B]  
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there is still lots of room in willow the chinchilla's cage Phil you know you want to


#713052 - 11/10/2003 01:33 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: miss_diddy]  
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Seems like DJs are getting shorter and shorter these days.









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#713053 - 11/10/2003 01:55 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Tony.P]  
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Yeah iv noticed the sets gettin shorter.. i think 1 and a half hours to 2 is a better timescale to look at for a set.. maybe warm up sets could be 1 hour to leave the extra time for the 'main' djs to play a bit longer or somethin?!


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#713054 - 11/10/2003 02:12 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Claire DC]  
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seems like it's getting to how it is at most drum and bass ngihts that i go to where everyone is on for an hour, getting as many djs as possible in.


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#713055 - 11/10/2003 03:10 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Chris_Hutchinson]  
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Personally DJ's doing a 3 hour extravaganza bores me to tears, you can find me asleep in the corner somewhere.




if thats the case, the dj playing hasnt done their job very well....




Lets hope you dont do a 3 hour marathon then.


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#713056 - 11/10/2003 05:13 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: miss_diddy]  
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there is still lots of room in willow the chinchilla's cage Phil you know you want to




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#713057 - 11/10/2003 05:19 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: CreamyC]  
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Personally DJ's doing a 3 hour extravaganza bores me to tears, you can find me asleep in the corner somewhere.




if thats the case, the dj playing hasnt done their job very well....




Lets hope you dont do a 3 hour marathon then.




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#713058 - 11/10/2003 05:56 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Chris_Hutchinson]  
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what a lot of other people have said. i think it's to do with trying to fit as many big names as poss.

which i think is total and complete bullshit, and it's one thing which kept me from going to the HHA b4 last.

quantity not quality apparently?!

club promotors: "they'll be so fucked off their heads they won't care" - I'll bet you.

1:30 as an absolute minimum, 2 hours pref. 3 hours great.

#713059 - 11/10/2003 06:21 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: James_dup1]  
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..and its even more of a piss take when you've got to go back-to-back with someone - so you get to play like what, 5/6 records? great.



how do u think sasha feels he does a 3 hour set and hes only played 4 records


#713060 - 11/10/2003 07:41 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: CreamyC]  
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Personally DJ's doing a 3 hour extravaganza bores me to tears, you can find me asleep in the corner somewhere.




only in hardhouse it does

a 3 hour techno or prog set really does take you on a jurney.


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it only really seems to be in hardhouse that the DJs are booked w/o thought of the music. and theres a good reason for this, it doesnt matter how many DJs or how few you have in hardhouse nower days, 99% of them will spin the same 5 records ne way.

If hardhouse DJs tryed experimenting a little more then promotors would be willing to give them more time. hardhouse club nights such as superfish give its residents 2 hours and the residents really did some creative things in that time. frantic only needs an hour per DJ as the DJs seem to have no imagination


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#713062 - 11/11/2003 09:37 AM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: Mr_Happy]  
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frantic only needs an hour per DJ as the DJs seem to have no imagination




Total bollox Laurence, it is not the dj who ask's for an hour, it is the promoter who books for an hour!! & im sure all the HH dj's all over the world mould be made up to the eyeballs to know the yppaH_rM thinks they have NO IMAGINATION!!!


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I can't comment on Frantic, but I agree that loads of hard house DJs are completely unimaginative. That's because it is the most bandwagon-jumped dance genre of the last few years.

I'm not saying all hard house DJs are shit, but a disproportionate number do play all the same tunes. My mate who is a hard house / techno promoter says 95% of the mix CD demos he gets contain the same old Nukleuz / Tidy tunes. Now it should be the job of promoters to filter out the shit DJs, but that fact is, lots of clubbers out there lap up the same old shit!

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I'm not saying all hard house DJs are shit, but a disproportionate number do play all the same tunes. My mate who is a hard house / techno promoter says 95% of the mix CD demos he gets contain the same old Nukleuz / Tidy tunes.




biggest critiscm of my mixes is that there havent been enough 'obvious' tunes on them.... maybe I should just play tidy and nukleuz to get bookings then play what I want when I get em


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frantic only needs an hour per DJ as the DJs seem to have no imagination




Total bollox Laurence, it is not the dj who ask's for an hour,




never said the DJs do ask for an hour. i'm only said that i havnt heard many DJs that play their sets much different from an hours set to 2 hours. its still the same tunes. infact sometimes i dont even notice the change in style when a new DJ come one


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I'm not saying all hard house DJs are shit, but a disproportionate number do play all the same tunes. My mate who is a hard house / techno promoter says 95% of the mix CD demos he gets contain the same old Nukleuz / Tidy tunes.




biggest critiscm of my mixes is that there havent been enough 'obvious' tunes on them....




ignore them! your playing a style thats unique to you and if and when you make it, you'll be reconised for it.


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I'm not saying all hard house DJs are shit, but a disproportionate number do play all the same tunes. My mate who is a hard house / techno promoter says 95% of the mix CD demos he gets contain the same old Nukleuz / Tidy tunes.




biggest critiscm of my mixes is that there havent been enough 'obvious' tunes on them....




ignore them! your playing a style thats unique to you and if and when you make it, you'll be reconised for it.




If I dont make it, can I blame you then for making me 'stick by my guns'


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sure - i get blamed for everying else


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sure - i get blamed for everying else




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I'm not saying all hard house DJs are shit, but a disproportionate number do play all the same tunes. My mate who is a hard house / techno promoter says 95% of the mix CD demos he gets contain the same old Nukleuz / Tidy tunes.




biggest critiscm of my mixes is that there havent been enough 'obvious' tunes on them....




ignore them! your playing a style thats unique to you and if and when you make it, you'll be reconised for it.



clean your ears then


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I can't comment on Frantic, but I agree that loads of hard house DJs are completely unimaginative. That's because it is the most bandwagon-jumped dance genre of the last few years.

I'm not saying all hard house DJs are shit, but a disproportionate number do play all the same tunes. My mate who is a hard house / techno promoter says 95% of the mix CD demos he gets contain the same old Nukleuz / Tidy tunes. Now it should be the job of promoters to filter out the shit DJs, but that fact is, lots of clubbers out there lap up the same old shit!




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#713073 - 11/11/2003 06:38 PM Re: sets getting shorter [Re: liquideyes]  
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I can't comment on Frantic, but I agree that loads of hard house DJs are completely unimaginative. That's because it is the most bandwagon-jumped dance genre of the last few years.

I'm not saying all hard house DJs are shit, but a disproportionate number do play all the same tunes. My mate who is a hard house / techno promoter says 95% of the mix CD demos he gets contain the same old Nukleuz / Tidy tunes. Now it should be the job of promoters to filter out the shit DJs, but that fact is, lots of clubbers out there lap up the same old shit!




so what are you saying Andy, it is the tunes that make a shit dj then???



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Well the fact that the "said" DJs are choosing these same old same old tidy/nukleuz style records/tunes does make them a shit DJ

IMO


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so what are you saying Andy, it is the tunes that make a shit dj then???



Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.
A DJ can only be as good as his records.

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so what are you saying Andy, it is the tunes that make a shit dj then???



Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.
A DJ can only be as good as his records.




i used to disagree with this statement, but after going though a 'phase' of trying to be amazingly technical and cocking up every mix i've quickly learned that a good DJ plays good records and maybe a little extra if it fits at the time


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liquideyes said:
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miss_diddy said:
so what are you saying Andy, it is the tunes that make a shit dj then???



Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.
A DJ can only be as good as his records.




So shall we start blaming producers/record labels too for not making/distributing that are in your opinion, tunes that you wana hear/play out?? Or shall we say this is more down to peoples opinion of what tunes/genres people like in general and the places that play nukleuz and tidy tunes are not clubs that play ur idea style of the music?


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