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#759892 - 01/06/2004 03:44 PM compression  
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been chatting to a big DJ as i've asked him about compression used in club sound systems and would it effect mixes.
He said that yeah compression always affects your set. all i can say is if you don't know the fundamentals of compression then dont let it worry you. my BIG advice is dont push the gains. keep everything at the right levels. monitors the gains well, before you bring each record in.

Does anyone know anything about the fundamentals of compression mixing?????????

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#759893 - 01/06/2004 03:48 PM Re: compression [Re: Tony.P]  
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yeah turn it up louder

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#759894 - 01/06/2004 04:32 PM Re: compression [Re: Tony.P]  
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to know if compression is gonna affect your mixes or if the gain is already too high, whip the bass out at the end of a bar.. if suddenly the volume leaps up a whole load, then either

a. output of the mixer is set too high
b. compressor is set up wrong
c. if you have no clue what im on about, dont worry yourself


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#759895 - 01/06/2004 05:03 PM Re: compression [Re: Tony.P]  
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shouldnt the sound test you do before letting rip to the warm up sets pick up and fix any potential problems due to compression?

as for the compression filter itself. i thought it was only used to make quiet bits louder and vice versa.

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#759896 - 01/06/2004 05:10 PM Re: compression [Re: Mod1]  
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Mr Happy, compression is also used to prevent speaker damage and restrict volume levels.

There are two symptoms of over-compression (or too much gain on the mixer, which has the same effect):

1. as Mod1 said, there is a sudden increase in volume in the transition from a loud bit to a quiet bit;

2. (if the attack/release times are shorter) you get a horrible pumping effect where the compression level is constantly adjusting in time with the kick drum. Done in moderation can sound quite cool (as used in a lot of techno tracks), but when over-done it sounds very un-musical and ruins the dynamics of the music (as well as being harsher on the ears).

#759897 - 01/06/2004 05:12 PM Re: compression [Re: Tony.P]  
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He said that yeah compression always affects your set.


Don't really agree. The compression settings should be optimised for the "normal" operating level of the mixer. I.e. very little compression should occur unless your LEDs are going into the red.

#759898 - 01/06/2004 06:05 PM Re: compression [Re: liquideyes]  
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#759899 - 01/07/2004 10:45 AM Re: compression [Re: James_dup1]  
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cheers guys, i trust the compression set up will be first class at the club i'm playing at. just wasnted to know if i needed to take anything into consideration before i get there.


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#759900 - 01/08/2004 04:55 PM Re: compression [Re: Tony.P]  
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yeah, dont play any phatt tunes as they're harder to compress than tunes that have been dieting

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#759901 - 01/08/2004 05:12 PM Re: compression [Re: Tony.P]  
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You shouldn't have to do anything special Tony. It's the sound engineer's problem really.

Having said that, if you get used to what "overly compressed" music sounds like, you would know to turn down the overall volume (and/or bass).

#759902 - 01/09/2004 08:55 AM Re: compression [Re: liquideyes]  
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ok cheers guys

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#759903 - 01/09/2004 11:12 AM Re: compression *DELETED* [Re: Tony.P]  
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#759904 - 01/09/2004 11:13 AM Re: compression [Re: Chris_Hutchinson]  
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why would you want to add more compression to tunes?? usually it gets done before they are pressed to vinyl



yep - this is something slightly confusing me too - but I'm very new to all this mastering/EQing etc.

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#759905 - 01/09/2004 11:14 AM Re: compression [Re: James_dup1]  
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why would you want to add more compression to tunes?? usually it gets done before they are pressed to vinyl



yep - this is something slightly confusing me too - but I'm very new to all this mastering/EQing etc.



lol - i just deleted the post cos I realised he meant a limiter installed in a club to stop volume going too high

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#759906 - 01/09/2004 11:16 AM Re: compression [Re: Chris_Hutchinson]  
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ooops - good point - sorry !

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#759907 - 01/09/2004 11:46 AM Re: compression [Re: Tony.P]  
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my BIG advice is dont push the gains. keep everything at the right levels. monitors the gains well, before you bring each record in.



there is NOTHING more annoying then coming on after a DJ who seems to think its funny to have the treble and mid-range pushed right up.... it just makes it all sound fucking wank!

I remember talking to Phil B about it @ Toast - all that happens is distortion occurs and I cant understand why DJs do it at all

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#759908 - 01/09/2004 11:48 AM Re: compression [Re: Chris_Hutchinson]  
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One of the best DJs I've seen to use the eq properly is (again my faiv) Mr Phil Reynolds - its a joy to watch him blend lol

Closely followed by MOD1 !!! The guy is spot on and the proof is in his demo CDs

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#759909 - 01/09/2004 05:26 PM Re: compression [Re: James_dup1]  
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One of the best DJs I've seen to use the eq properly is (again my faiv) Mr Phil Reynolds - its a joy to watch him blend lol




i'm not trying to start a genre war here, but how can a harddance DJ even compare to techno/prog/trance DJs when it comes to intellegent use of the EQs?

harddance by its very nature requires minimal use of the EQs (thats not to say that EQs cant be used effectively). alot of DJs in other fields use the EQs so well that u never even notice that 1 track has ended and another started.

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#759910 - 01/09/2004 05:33 PM Re: compression [Re: Mr_Happy]  
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apologies Mr Happy, I didnt mean there is an order / who is better - as you say they are two different genres - i should have just put both make proper use of the EQ

actually, I'd have to add corsten into the list, cos when I saw him at Judgement Sundays at Eden in Ibiza, Summer 2002, I really couldnt tell when one track finished and the next started! (up to a point)

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#759911 - 01/09/2004 06:37 PM Re: compression [Re: Mr_Happy]  
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One of the best DJs I've seen to use the eq properly is (again my faiv) Mr Phil Reynolds - its a joy to watch him blend lol




i'm not trying to start a genre war here, but how can a harddance DJ even compare to techno/prog/trance DJs when it comes to intellegent use of the EQs?




ok, maybe they can turn the bass down a little bit quicker.... not many big tricks you can do with eqs tho are there

now mixing several tunes at once on the other hand....

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#759912 - 01/10/2004 07:45 PM Re: compression [Re: Chris_Hutchinson]  
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ok, maybe they can turn the bass down a little bit quicker.... not many big tricks you can do with eqs tho are there


I don't think we're talking about "big tricks". Rather, the power to blend tunes together in subtler ways.


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